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The Dig

Jesus and John Wayne w/ Kristin Kobes Du Mez

The Dig

Daniel Denvir

News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2021

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Dan interviews historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez on her book Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation. "Having replaced the Jesus of the Gospels with the vengeful warrior Christ, it’s no wonder many came to think of Trump in the same way." Support The Dig at Patreon.com/TheDig We now have a Discord for patrons and, starting in September, a weekly email newsletter too. If you want to join our Discord and cannot afford to contribute, just send us an email.

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1:06.8

Welcome to the Dig, a podcast from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel Denver and I'm broadcasting

1:21.1

from Providence, Rhode Island. Outside observers and critics confronted white evangelical support

1:27.7

for Donald Trump as a puzzle to be solved. But where many saw hypocrisy, my guest today,

1:34.0

historian Kristen Cobis Dumay identified a number of continuities. Trump, she shows,

1:41.3

was exactly the man many evangelicals had been waiting for,

1:45.2

domineering, sexist, and celebrating violence against myriad others. Trump was the very sort of

1:52.8

patriarch who had for decades been idealized in mass market evangelical culture. From John Wayne

2:00.0

to Donald Trump, quote, the affinity was based not on theology, but rather on a shared masculine

2:06.7

ideal. It became a creed that preached a quote, mutually reinforcing vision of Christian masculinity,

2:13.9

of patriarchy and submission, sex and power, power to be exercised in the home, church, nation,

2:22.0

and across a world dominated by US empire. By 2016, evangelical group identity had long

2:30.5

since become defined more by a shared consumer market and militarist nationalism than

2:37.4

denominational niceties are eschatological particulars. Dumay is herself a Calvinist who grew

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