Hello, welcome to a brand new episode of writer's routine. This week we're chatting to Jessica Payne. Her debut novel is a twisting psychological thriller. It's called Make Me Disappear. We talk about why she was so determined

to get a book properly published, not just self-published, not sat in the drawer, but actually

on the shelves. Also, you can hear how she has claimed back her writing time, and we talk about

how writing for her, it's all about perseverance.

But I went in knowing that it was going to be hard and that I had to be in it for the long haul,

and I'm fine. Like, I, I've read marathons, I've done an Iron Man, like, I will stick it out

for the long haul and, you know, just make, I just felt like if I keep trying, it's going to

happen. And it was really hard. I mean, I make it sound like it was easy. It wasn't easy. Like,

every rejection is hard. Every time you get an email and you know it's going to be a rejection

from the gym. That is so hard. But it's also normal.

There is more on the way with Jessica Payne in this week's writer's routine.

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Welcome along to the show.

It's writers routine.

Thank you for being there.

Thank you for coming back, for following, for downloading, for streaming. However you found us, I really appreciate you being there. This is the show where we take a look inside the working day of some of the world's most successful authors. All manner of authors. Very prolific ones who are on their 70th book that have sold billions of copies,

some writers who kind of do it now and then, and we have debut writers, like the one we're

chatting to today. My name is Dan Simpson. I'm very excited for you to hear this week's chat.

Jessica Payne really gets it and she's interested in the process of writing.

She listens to this show for a start, which always helps.

Also, she studies writing books and manuals.

She's the host of Mum's Writer Club on Twitter on YouTube, which tries to help every part of a

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