The Olive Gardens in Manhattan, at least when I last checked like eight years ago,

a plate of pasta at one of these Olive Gardens was like $17 or $18.

Oh my God.

Cheap food in New York is still really expensive, and it's amazing and it's crazy.

This week on the eater upsell we're going to be talking with Jessica Coslow,

the chef and proprietor of Squirrel in Los Angeles,

launcher of a billion grain bowls.

And just such an inspiration to like so many chefs right now,

although you don't really hear people talking about how influential she is.

We're going to talk about it.

We're going to talk about it with her.

Oh my gosh.

It's going to be great. Chain restaurants inflate their prices here.

What you're selling is comfort and familiarity and ease.

What you're selling is like, oh, the diner does not have to be challenged and like yeah I would

we rather spend like after tax and tip 20 to 25 dollars on like Mario Batali's

famous beef cheek ravioli but maybe if you're not interested in going too far

outside of your comfort zone you just want the freaking like never ending

possible of fetichini Alfredo and you want to call it a day.

I totally see where you're coming from. You know it's funny because I like I like

chain restaurants. I have some chain restaurants that I really like but when they are

just as expensive as a different restaurant that has like a lot less kind of

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