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And that's where I think very often that human resonance, that wanting to find a parallel with human stories, it doesn't break down, but it's where I think I really exercise a lot

of caution because the more I, you know, sat with the language used to describe plants, I was just reminded of, you know, what we've really seen over the past nearly 10 years of, you know, just this enormous rise in really hateful language to describe people.

Yeah. to describe people. You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamehashane.

Today we welcome Jessica J. Lee, a British-Canadian Taiwanese author,

environmental historian, and the author of several books,

including Two Trees Make a Forest, Dispersals, as well as the children's book, A Garden Called Home.

She's also the founding editor of the Willow Herb Review and teaches creative writing at the University

of Cambridge.

You know, I think it's an interesting thing because the more I thought about plants when

thinking about this book, I kept coming back to, I guess that question that I get asked all

the time, right?

The where are you from question.

And the kind of discomfort it immediately brings up for me because I get a little bit like hot and sweaty

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