Welcome to Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch, the podcast that explores the unexplained with humor and curiosity.

Hello and welcome to Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch here with Irene Bremis as always.

Hi, Irene.

Hi, sweetie.

Hello, Irene.

So the other day I'm flipping through New York Times, well, scrolling through New York Times.

And I see an article and I was like, this is very woo-woo based.

And then I wrote to the author of the article and instantly roped her in to be here with us.

And you probably read, if you read The New York Times or you read books, you've probably read many of her pieces.

And here she is.

Please welcome Jessica Gross to the show.

Hi, Jess. Hi. Hi. Thank you so much for having me.

Thanks for coming on. So I read your stuff a lot. You pop up with all these kind of fun human interest

articles that I've seen, a lot of stuff about moms that I've seen. And I know you've written books, too.

I have. I wouldn't

recommend doing that. Well, then it's not fun, but I'm very proud. I'm very proud of them.

It's too much work. That's why I'm very proud of the books that I've written. Okay. Well, tell us the

name of this article. What I saw when I peaked over the edge of consciousness. So I have

been reporting on Americans moving away from organized religion for the past three or four years.

So this is one of the biggest societal changes that I felt was underreported. In the 1950s,

2% of people said they were atheist agnostic or nothing in particular,

and now it's between 30 and 40%. But it doesn't mean that people aren't interested in spirituality

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