Jessica Davis on Terrorism Financing
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 6 October 2021
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
Jessica Davis is the author of a new book on terrorism financing called, “Illicit Money: Financing Terrorism in the Twenty-First Century.” She's also the president and principal consultant at Insight Threat Intelligence, the president of the Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies, and associate fellow at the Centre for Financial Crime and Security Studies. She sat down with Jacob Schulz to talk about her new book and about terrorism financing more broadly. They discussed the value of focusing on the financial side of things as opposed to the motivations that drive people to terrorism, the parts of the terrorism financing ecosystem that often get overlooked and much more.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | Some of the work that I've done historically has been around detecting terrorist activity |
| 0:39.2 | by looking at changes in patterns of behavior. |
| 0:41.7 | And one of the main ways that people change their behavior in the lead up to terrorist attacks |
| 0:46.7 | and terrorist events is through financial activities. |
| 0:50.8 | So the procurement of goods, weapons, device components, but there's also other ways that |
| 0:56.4 | they change their behavior. |
| 0:58.4 | They may quit their job, they may send money to friends or family, a form of getting their |
| 1:03.6 | affairs in order, they may settle some of their debts, they may even do things like |
| 1:08.9 | write wills. |
| 1:09.9 | There's a whole bunch of sort of activities that fit into this broader sort of personal |
| 1:16.1 | finance categorization that when you're looking at different subjects of investigation and |
| 1:20.9 | trying to figure out, okay, I've got 15 people that I think are radicalized and could be |
| 1:26.9 | looking to mobilize to violence, where am I focusing my resources? |
| 1:30.1 | Who is actually getting ready? |
| 1:31.9 | When you see some of those changes in financial behavior, that starts to tell you an awful |
| 1:36.2 | lot about where people are heading. |
| 1:38.3 | I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast, October 6, 2021. |
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