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Jesse Jackson was incredibly political campaign, not just for racial justice, but economic

justice.

The only time that we win is when we come together.

Jesse Jackson was always really clear-eyed that our struggles were connected,

whether we're queer or black or brown or Latino or disabled.

And so really remembering that he was a titan of the civil rights movement

and an icon of the African-American

community, but also he saw injustice around the world and wanted to fight it in all its forms.

A trail-blazing figure in the US civil rights movement has died. So how should we remember

the Reverend Jesse Jackson? From The Guardians today in focus, this is the latest with me, Lucy Hoff.

I'm joined by Carus Afoko, who is a Guardian contributing writer and host of the podcast

Over the Top Under the Radar. Thanks so much for coming into the studio, Caris. So the news today

that the Reverend Jesse Jackson has died, a titan of the civil rights movement and a fixture of American politics for more than 50 years.

Obviously, there's so much to take in in terms of his life.

But what are you reflecting on today?

I think there are a couple of things.

I think, I mean, on the one hand, you know, you think you just want to send condolences to his family and the people that knew him personally. You know, he lived until 84, but it's always incredibly sad to lose a loved one. I think beyond that, I guess there are a couple of things. Jesse Jackson's name might be familiar to people. He's been, as you say, a fixture of American politics and the American civil rights movement.

And he really, I guess say, a fixture of American politics and the American

civil rights movement. And he really, I guess he is a dying breed of African American leader who was

born during segregation. He was born in the 1940s. So, you know, his school was segregated. So someone

who really lived through and campaigned for the transformation of American society in the

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