Okay, we have the legend, Jerry West on the telephone with us.

And Jerry, I want to start off with this.

I just gave my top five ball handlers in NBA history.

And I said Kyrie Irvin is number one.

I don't know if you agree or not, but what do you think about that?

Well, you know, I think he has a lot of time you have people style over substance and substance over style.

Well, he's got substance and style, and I think that makes him very, very attractive.

He's so clever, has such confidence when he, and particularly when he's driving to the basket,

he might be the best finisher in the game that's not a dunker.

He just, he just has unique skills, and he's, he's the one when you watch him,

you say to yourself, my goodness, you know, he's got something different with all his change

of paces, his explosive getting to the rim, finishing with his both hands.

Steph Curry is a tremendous ball handler, too. He has a, you know, he has a different kind of

a, you know, he's kind of more herky, jerky,

and he probably wants to shoot a jump shot, and particularly going to his left.

And yet he is a shotmaker going to the basket, too.

And people lose sight of that.

But there's been Irvin Johnson, you know, for his size, his incredible ability to handle the ball,

but he was a safe player.

He wasn't the flashy one, okay?

He just had, again, he had substance and style.

And so you get unique players, and obviously we're not talking about some really good

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