If you like the gist, I think you do. I think you'll also like Risky Business, a podcast hosted by

Nate Silver and Maria Konnikova. You know them. They're journalists who moonlight as high stakes

poker players, though that might be misstating where their incomes primarily come from. I think it's

to poker. They talk about odds, incentives, and outcomes, and they talk about democracy.

You know, in politics, every moves of calculation, and sometimes our leaders can make bad

bets, and sometimes we as citizens suffer bad beats.

Check out risky business available in your favorite podcast app.

Hi, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show. We give you one from the vault and one from the

week. And oftentimes, when it's one from the week, it's a spiel. So proud of the spiels

am I. I want you to listen to them. But today I'm going to bring you one from the week that

was an interview with the documentary filmmaker or documentarian, if you will,

Jeremy Workman, a workman-like documentary filmmaker. And he has been on the show before.

So this week, on Monday, he was on talking about secret mall apartment, which were about some

quirky people who lived in a mall. In 2018, he was on the show to talk about the world before your feet, about a quirky guy

who walked every block of New York.

I don't know if that sounds easy to you or hard to you.

It's hard.

It's hard.

Queens has a lot of little nook and cranny blocks.

And Staten Island has a lot of blocks that, I don't know, shabby, run down, out of the way,

filled, strewn, if you will, with garbage.

Those are just two of the five boroughs to give you some idea of how hard it is to walk

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