Chowl and pray on we're gaining ground.

Glory, hallelujah, the dead's alive and the lost is found.

Glory hallelujah.

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So welcome to Let's Talk Eschatology, where we bring in various guests to discuss

how theology and eschatology shapes our lives. My guest for today's episode is Jeremy Howard.

He is a pastor at Orchard Hills Bible Church in Payson, Utah, and he's a writer and a host of the

Do Theology Podcast. Jeremy, thanks for joining me.

Thanks for having me, John.

Good to be with you again.

Good to be with you.

And he says again, if you haven't seen it,

you could look at our episode that we did on Christian Nationalism

over at the Do Theology podcast YouTube channel.

I think that was a great conversation.

It's actually the reason why I want to

bring Jeremy over here is though we may disagree on things about hermeneutics, dispensationism,

...