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Jeremy Hobson on the "Rally Around the Flag" Risk in Iran

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2026

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Mike joins Jeremy Hobson on The Follow Up to discuss the "awful but lawful" nuances of the Minneapolis ICE shooting, the potential blowback of the Trump administration branding it a "riot," and why threats against Iran often ignore dangerous second-order effects. Plus, a Spiel from the week analyzing the flood of anonymous quotes in Dexter Filkins' New Yorker profile of Marco Rubio, and why unnamed sources might reveal more about the reader's bias than the subject's character.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, it's Saturday where we bring you one from the week and one from the vault.

0:08.5

It's not really the vault this week.

0:10.7

It's another appearance I did on a show.

0:13.2

The show, the middle, is one of the fastest growing, maybe only fast growing, NPR shows or

0:19.2

public radio shows.

0:20.3

It's hosted by Jeremy Hobson, who I have known for a long, long time.

0:24.8

And he is, they are branching out to some online only content because the show doesn't air every day.

0:31.8

And he had me on for the inaugural one, and that is called The Follow Up.

0:37.9

And so I thought I'd return the favor. He was nice enough to have me on as the inaugural one, and that is called the follow-up. And so I thought I'd return the favor.

0:40.0

He was nice enough to have me on as the inaugural guest.

0:42.1

I'd like to play it on my show and recommend it to you.

0:44.6

In that, you will hear us talking about Maduro and my point about the end game and not

0:49.6

thinking about second or third order effects.

0:51.9

That holds on the show, this show, the gist, which I didn't

0:57.0

get to follow up on this week, but I did want it to say for the record, so I'll say it now.

1:00.8

I think the same thing's going on with Donald Trump and Iran. He, I did talk about how much he

1:06.4

is enjoying the threats he's been making. And I analyzed my analysis was he has always liked making

1:13.2

threats, but this is now a time to really make threats. Why? Because the Maduro threats,

1:18.2

which like a lot of his supposedly taco threats, turned into an aripa, which is they

1:24.7

a riped Maduro out of his bed and brought him to the Metropolitan Detention Center.

1:30.4

You know, is that a good enough pun that I use it on Thursday show?

1:34.5

And today, I guess it is.

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