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Do a leap interviews, Tim Cook.

Technology doesn't want to be good or bad.

It's in the hands of the creator.

It's not every day that I have the CEO of the world's biggest company in my living room.

If you're looking at your phone more than you're looking in someone's eyes,

you're doing the wrong thing.

Julie, at your service, listen to all episodes on BBC Sales. Is there anyone alive in Britain today who hasn't heard of The Beatles? But there's a character

in the story of the four lads from Liverpool whose name

is nowhere near as familiar, but without whom the band might never have reached the record-breaking

success they did. That person is the subject of today's great lives,

the Beatles manager Brian Epstein. Joining me to talk about the life of the musical entrepreneur and manager is the

Turner Prize winning artist Jeremy Della. Jeremy had you even been born when Epstein

died? I was one I was been one years old. I was born in 66 so I was one and a half.

Your work will indirectly have touched all our listeners but they won't all have heard of you. Much of it's ephemeral. You aren't mainly in the business of marketing objects. You like living artworks. You've staged recreations of battles during the miners' strike. You've helped make music that fuses brass band with

Acid House.

You're an artist yourself, a creative person, so I'm intrigued as to where the fascination

with the man behind the band comes from.

Why not stop at the creative front, the band themselves?

I am into the band as well, but I was always interested in this person who seemed in the background who really didn't get the recognition he

deserved. I always felt that without him they wouldn't, I believe there wouldn't have been

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