Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Oscar Robinson, I'm joined today by Tim Shipman and James Heel.

Now, yesterday was a breathless day in Westminster after the defection of Robert Generate 2 reform,

spawned lots of headlines and even more memes.

Now, the dust is settling, Tim.

Have we got a clearer idea of how this has all landed in Westminster?

Look, I think I'm a judge on these occasions by what lands in my sort of WhatsApp queue.

I think there are a lot of people in the Tory party who think Kemi Badoadnock had a good day.

They are particularly upset with the way Robert Generic handled himself

and the sort of slightly churlish attacks he made on Mel Stride in particular.

I think people think Pretty Patel after the Boris Way was a bit fair a game.

But there's a way to depart and you don't do it like that, I think,

is the feeling for some of them. And actually, I think as a result of that, the sort of some

of the younger sort of genericites in terms of their policy focus are a bit less likely to

defect than they probably were. But I think there's also a bit of a rumbling amongst people

of a certain age that Farage's deadline of May

the 7th for crossing the floor has sharpened people's minds. And I think those who are in seats,

they think they could only win as a reform MP, time servers, the sort of old lags. I think if

they're going to move, they need to get on and do it. In reform, I think, there's

upbeat that they salvaged what began as quite a tricky day and they still, you know,

bossed all the headlines and got a big defection. I mean, it's interesting having contact with

both people around Farage and people around Genrick that I think some of us who've dealt with

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