Jennifer Senior: How Old Are You in Your Head?

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 8.9K Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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People over 40 tend to see themselves as about 20% younger than their actual age. Is it because aging is seen as bad — or because they're optimistic that they have many years ahead? Plus, living with long Covid, and John Fetterman's depression. Jennifer Senior joins Charlie Sykes today. Show notes Jennifer's recent Atlantic articles: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/subjective-age-how-old-you-feel-difference/673086/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/john-fetterman-checks-into-hospital-clinical-depression-stroke/673112/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/long-covid-symptoms-chronic-illness-disability/673057/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Bullwirt Podcast. I am Charlie Sykes. One of my favorite guests from a few months
0:14.3	back. I've lost track of time so I don't know how many months it has been. Was Jennifer Senior,
0:19.4	a Stafford, the Atlantic winner of the 2022 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing, and she has a fantastic
0:27.9	piece on subjective age in the April issue of the Atlantic. And so because I'm kind of a lucky guy,
0:37.2	welcome back to the podcast, Jennifer. Oh my God. I feel like the luckiest of gals. I hear my
0:42.4	favorite, should I say this? God, you want to allow to have favorites? Anyway, I love being
0:47.9	interviewed by you, Charlie Sykes. Well, thank you. And I love your podcast. Well, you're definitely
0:53.9	allowed to say that because there's a mixed opinion about all of this. So the last time you and I
0:59.8	were talking, it was about your huge piece on Steve Bannon, which by the way, congratulations,
1:04.4	you just got nominated for a major award for this. You know, one of the things that was interesting
1:09.5	was that Steve Bannon kept texting you and emailing you. So, you know, any updates on what Steve Bannon
1:14.0	is doing these days? Yes. One of the sublime pleasures of my life is I have no updates. He has stopped
1:21.7	texting me. I don't know. I have no clue. I mean, he lasted for a while until I think somebody
1:29.6	whispered in his ear, you know, this piece was not all that flattering. And it stopped. I think he
1:36.6	was so used to being able to seduce journalists. And I think I was unsinducedable. That's odd. Yeah.
1:42.9	Because journalists never write anything negative about him because they don't mock him. They don't
1:48.2	see him as an American rest sputan. I can tell you why. Yeah, please. I have a theory about this
1:53.9	actually. And it was something that filled me with terror as I was writing about him. Everybody
1:58.3	who had written about him before me could write reasonably not flattering things, but just write
2:05.4	very neutrally about him and sleep the sleep of the righteous knowing that they were cultivating a
2:12.0	source so that they could get all of the dirt on the Trump administration. I think I was the first
2:18.7	person to write a big long piece about him once he was in exile, you know, once he was just on his
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