Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast I'm your host Tim Miller I'm just so pumped

we have the very perfect person for this day, this moment in time.

My friend Jennifer Palmieri, she was communications director for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign,

and during Obama's second term in the White House she was the co-host of the late

Showtime show, The Circus. Emmy nominated again.

And we nominated again, Tim.

And then we did it. We did it Joe. She co-hosts the How to Win Podcast with Clara

McCaskill, my partner in crime on MSNBC and her last book which is one thing we

need to talk about. She proclaims our Declaration of Independence

for a man's world.

You've written the book about how women, politicians

should deal with this moment.

And I think that we've got one of those right now.

We do, yeah, right.

Before we get to your advice for Kamwa on how to kind of combat misogyny and sexism

and how to, you know, come into her power,

I want to talk about somebody else first. Can we have a little fun first?

Absolutely. How much time have you spent thinking about J.D. Vance lately?

J.D. Hamill. More than I expected.

I just didn't realize there was as weird, you know,

weird stuff out there about him as there is.

It's pretty weird.

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