You know, spy films tend to be super political,

or they can be really sort of like action tech-based,

you know, bond, admission impossible, born, things like that.

And I love those movies, but I feel like if you're gonna go

into a well-worn genre,

you have to be able to do something different.

I'm Sean Fantasy, editor and chief of the ringer,

and this is the big picture,

a conversation show with some of the most interesting

filmmakers in the world.

Scorsese Deniro, Burton Dep,

Kurosawa Mufune, Lawrence Lawrence?

In the pantheon of great director actor pairings,

Francis Lawrence and Jennifer Lawrence

are making a bid to join some of the best.

After three hugely successful Hunger Games movies,

they've reteamed for Red Sparrow,

a brutal spy thriller set in Russia adapted

from the popular novel by XCIA agent Jason Matthews.

Francis Lawrence makes stylish, big-top Hollywood movies,

but Red Sparrow, which we've taken

a calling sex spiser on the office here at the ringer,

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