Hey, it's Empire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. The writer Jennifer Finney Boylan

has been one of the most prominent transgender voices since she wrote her memoir. She is not there

back in 2003. Since then, she's been on the news and has written more books about the trans

experience, and yet even she was taken aback when her own kid came out as trans.

She writes about this in her new book, Cleavage, Men, Women, and the Space Between Us,

and she talks to hear now as Robin Young about what it's like to grow old as a trans person,

which, yes, includes your kid not talking to you about their feelings.

That's coming up.

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Jennifer Finney Boylan's new memoir is as lyrical as her previous bestsellers about her journey, transitioning from male to female in her early 40s with loving wife,

Dee Dee, and their two little kids by his than her, Jenny's side.

Jenny says her earliest memory at four or five as of knowing she was a girl, even as she loved

that tall cardboard rocket her dad built for all the neighborhood boys,

dad lit it and, pith, metaphor alert, it just plopped over,

but then roared back to life, scudding along the baseball field,

aimed right at the meanest kid in town,

which reminded the adult Jenny of Senator Josh Hawley running from the mob on Jan 6.

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