Hey, welcome back. I'm Jeffrey Masters, and this is LGBTQ and A from The Advocate.

Today I'm talking to the best-selling author, Jennifer Finney Boylan. We have a really wide-ranging

discussion about the past and future of the fight for trans rights.

Jenny has had many roles in that, one being in 2005 when she was on the Oprah show.

So we discussed the impact that that had, and how that contributed towards changing the perception and the public discourse around trans people.

We also discuss the PR of the trans movement, which is something that I actually think a lot about.

So we talk about how to best frame these arguments and discussions as we continue to fight for acceptance.

And then because it's important, I just want to remind you that Clad is currently leading the progressive movement to fight for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

They are doing this in order to provide explicit protections for LGBTQ people, for women, communities of color, and those with disabilities.

If you want to join their growing movement or just learn more, you can go to glad.org

slash constitution.

All right, let's get to it.

Here's Jenny, and she begins by talking about her memoir.

She's not there.

And just how much has changed since it was published in 2003.

Thank you. So much has changed since then.

I mean, we still have a lot of work to do, but I imagine that as short as that time ago,

you were still defining what transgender meant to people.

Yeah, a big thing that happened with that book was when I came out as trans, I really had to kind of explain to people what I was talking about.

I remember people saying, so wait, transgender, does that mean you're like super gay?

Which I used to, you know, I get all across and angry and like, but now I'm like, yes, I am super gay.

That's it.

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