4.7 • 658 Ratings
🗓️ 10 February 2025
⏱️ 106 minutes
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In this episode, we sit down with biblical scholar Dr. Jennifer Bird to explore the Bible’s complex portrayals of marriage and sexuality. Jennifer shares her journey from conservative evangelicalism to a more nuanced, humanistic perspective, and helps us unpack, among other things, Jesus and Paul’s lack of enthusiasm for marriage, the Bible’s limitations as a guide for healthy relationships, and the risks of putting Jesus on a pedestal.
After the interview, Nomad hosts Tim Nash and Anna Robinson reflect on their own experiences with ‘biblical’ teachings around sex and marriage, and consider whether Jesus really offers an antidote to the Bible’s more problematic stances.
Interview starts at 16m 19s
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0:00.0 | The |
0:07.0 | The Welcome back to Nomad podcast. I'm Tim Nash, and this is my beloved co-host. It's Anna Robinson. |
0:42.2 | Hello. |
0:43.4 | This is the first time we've chatted in 2025, isn't it? Anna. There's probably a lot to catch up on. Too much perhaps for this intro. So maybe you could tell us one thing that's been going on recently that's interesting you, stimulating you. |
0:57.1 | Oh, friendship, something I've been thinking a lot about. I got to hear somebody share some thoughts |
1:02.6 | who's done a PhD on power of friendship. Friendship is resistance. How friendship crosses, |
1:08.2 | divides and religion and class and difference and stuff, and how powerful |
1:14.1 | it is, this sort of symbartic kind of mutual relationship and just the power of it and how |
1:20.1 | kind of forces, you know, like powers that be. They don't supersede friendship, which I think is |
1:25.1 | really fascinating. That sounds super interesting. |
1:32.0 | Yeah, really interesting. It's like on a just human level and on a spiritual level, it's really landed with me. And I'm like, well, and, you know, this idea that Jesus talked about, |
1:37.6 | you know, his disciples were friends, being friends. Just, yeah, linking it into Christianity, |
1:43.0 | because, you know, that's what we're doing here. |
1:44.9 | But yeah, that's been really fascinating me. |
1:47.0 | And a little fact I learnt about oaks. |
1:50.8 | I love trees, I'm a big tree fan. |
1:52.8 | And I had a fact last week that about overgrown oaks. |
1:56.7 | I didn't know what an overgrown oak was. |
1:57.9 | I mean, I assumed it was just one that was like, you know, overgrown. |
2:01.2 | Yeah. I didn't know what an overgrown oak was. I mean, I assumed it was just one that was like, you know, overgrown. But it actually is to do with this idea of the saying goes, and it's true really. |
2:05.8 | And oak takes 300 years to grow, 300 years to live, and 300 years to die. |
2:12.3 | Wow. |
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