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Hey there, folks.

Welcome to the program.

Today is Tuesday, August 8th.

We have, as my guests today, two friends, Jenna Ellis and John Zmirak.

We'll talk to Jenna Ellis first.

We'll talk to John Smirak second.

And I want to say, too, that, you know, when I have a guest on this program, it doesn't

mean that I agree with them

on everything, except for John Smirak. No, actually, it's interesting because John Smirak, just last week,

we were talking to John Zmirak's very dear friend, Jason Jones, who has a different take on what our

approach should be to Ukraine. And on this program, we want to offer a number of points of view.

We don't claim to have monopoly on the truth.

We're just trying to get at the truth because we believe there is such a thing as truth.

Jenna Ellis, for example, has come out for DeSantis.

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