You know those friends you're introduced to by chance.

Maybe it's work or maybe you share a mutual friend.

And then before you know it, you're lifelong, laugh, cry, good times, bad times friends.

Well, that's what Jenna Bush-Hager is to me.

Five years ago, we started on this journey together, a career altering, life-altering one.

We're given the gift of co-hosting today with Hoda and Jenna over the last five years.

Both on and off the air, we have celebrated. with Hoda and Jenna over the last five years.

Both on and off the air, we have celebrated some of life's most meaningful moments and

endured some of the most challenging ones.

I can honestly say there is no one that I would rather have by my side.

So in honor of Hoda and Jenna's fifth anniversary, I'm sharing with you again my conversation

with Jenna.

I hope you enjoy this much as I do.

I'm Hoda Kottby. Welcome to my podcast, Making Space. Hi Jenna. I don't know why I'm thinking this in this moment but I was just

thinking when you first very first had your very first day at work at the

today show.

I don't picture you being intimidated,

but I wonder if when you walked in on day one,

if you were?

I mean, yes, I think, and I think I was well aware that I was coming from teaching

that it was a total shift and what I'd been doing I think the other thing that was hard is that the very first time I sat down on the

couch they were announcing like oh you're joining the show and let's talk about you

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