Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jimmy de Jamile, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I hope you're ready for an incredibly candid chat between two women who

clearly have no media training and by that I mean myself and my excellent guest,

Jennifer Edmund. She is an American stand-up media writer, director and a host. You might know her

from the Daily Show with John Stewart. She's also Oscar-nominated. She's extremely talented

and funny and she has a very very funny and very very sharp and fucking ruthless stand-up special

called Lady Killer, which is on peacock at the moment and she also hosts and directs a true crime

series called Indefensible, which she explains to me a little bit about because I'm very very

new to true crime. It's not really my genre because I'm a fucking coward and I don't like to hear

about scary shit because I find the world really scary already. But her take on that is fucking

fascinating. Her take on so many things are then politics, I think tends to be some of the

best fascinating shit I read. She has no filter whatsoever and in this episode in particular,

she has no filter because she's just had a fucking baby. She's like at three weeks into being a

mum when we sit down and have this chat and I can't believe she even showed up and never mind managed

to deliver what was an incredibly impressive chat with me and what makes her aside from how intense

that is, I think, to put yourself through, which is showing up and doing something public

when you're a few weeks into being a mum. But her take is so fresh because she's someone who never

thought she was going to be a mum, never wanted to be a mum. Still has the sort of quite

incredibly frank feelings about being a mum and very very frank feelings about the right to abortion

and what people's expectations should be and how hard shit is for a mum and how really they don't

get that much credit. She's just unlike anyone I've really met in this business and I really admire

her for coming on and just saying all the shit that was in her in her fucking exhausted and

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