Jen Hatmaker: What Are You Pretending Not to Know?

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Each of us has something we’re pretending not to know—an inner voice that whispers: We’re in trouble. Join us for a raw conversation with Jen Hatmaker on: the cost of ignoring the trouble in her 25-year marriage; the night she heard her husband on the phone with his girlfriend; and the freedom she found when she finally embraced the truth. About Jen: Jen Hatmaker is a bestselling author, award-winning podcaster, and fierce advocate for women living in freedom and agency. With 14 books—including four New York Times bestsellers—she reaches millions with her signature mix of humor, vulnerability, and wisdom. Her newest book, AWAKE: A Memoir, is out now, and chronicles her raw, real-time journey through the shocking end of her 26-year marriage and surprising reinvention. She lives in a creaky old farmhouse, loves 90s country, and drinks Almond Joy creamer like it’s a personality trait. Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

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0:00.0	Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. We have a beautiful dozy of an episode for you today.
0:07.4	Today our episode is with Jen Hatmaker. She's talking to us about the moment she found out that her husband of 25 years was having an affair and about how she may have always known in her bones that she needed to leave her
0:24.7	marriage. If you have ever been afraid of admitting out loud what you know in your bones,
0:32.4	watch this episode today or listen where you get your podcasts because you're going to want to hear the cost
0:42.1	of not admitting that you know and the magic that can come when you do admit what you know
0:47.4	in your bones about your life. The only person who could walk us through this is Jen Hatmaker.
0:54.7	She is a best-selling author.
0:55.9	She is an award-winning podcaster.
0:58.1	She is a fierce advocate for all of us to live in freedom and agency.
1:02.9	Her new book, Awake, is out now.
1:05.6	It chronicles her raw, real-time journey through the shocking end of her 26-year marriage
1:10.8	and her surprising
1:11.6	reinvention that I like to call the genocence.
1:16.3	Let's go.
1:26.4	First of all, before we start this, oh, the trouble we've seen oh the trials and tribulations
1:33.6	you haven't even to your we're not even to your story yet no no we're not even awake yet
1:38.7	for this first part yeah you're just getting out of the bathtub.
1:47.9	Pod Squad, I'm going to tell you this story in full another time.
1:55.0	What you need to know right now is you know that my deep struggle with menopause.
1:58.0	So what happened was... So we are going to get into it.
2:00.2	Just real quick.
2:00.9	But the short version is...
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