it takes a lot of a person to consistently say no when they're being badgered by one person or when it comes to family.

And so you're trying to say no to one person.

Now you have to say no to six people and text messages and emails.

And that's where people don't understand how hard is to start setting boundaries because of all the other pressure and badgering in some

aspects that occurs.

Hello and welcome to the women and ADHD podcast.

I'm your host, Katie Weber.

I was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 45, and it completely turned my world upside down.

I've been looking back at so much of my life, school, jobs, my relationships, all of it with this

new lens, and it has been nothing short of overwhelming.

I quickly discovered I was not the only woman to have this

experience, and now I interview other women who, like me, discovered in adulthood they have ADHD,

and are finally feeling like they understand who they are and how to best lean into their strengths,

both professionally and personally. Hello, hello, and welcome back. Happy New Year.

All right, well, here we are at episode 205, in which I interviewed Jen Fry. Jen is an educator,

a speaker, and the author of the book, I Said No, How to Have Boundaries and Backbone while

not being a jerk. Saying no is supposed to be simple,

but for so many women with ADHD, it feels loaded with guilt and overthinking and the fear of

disappointing everyone around you. Jen is a former college volleyball coach with a PhD in sports

geography, and she now works at the intersection of conflict, culture, and sport, speaking to teams

and organizations around the country. Jen and I talk about the ADHD tendency to be a people

pleaser, and why Jen proudly says she is kind, but not nice. In this conversation, we talk about

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