Hello, this is Dan Levitard. Welcome to South Beach sessions. The two of the people on this

podcast, Jamel Hill and Michael Smith had a bomb blow up in their face in American sports.

They hosted Sports Center six and there was an objection because ESPN had become liberal.

A moment that a bunch of minorities ended up on air, especially on the signature ESPN property.

And so that show went down in a heap, even though these are two people that I believe are excellent

at their jobs and would have found a more substantive voice if they've been given a little bit more

support around what it is that they were doing because these things take time regardless.

That is my opinion on what happened to Jamel and Michael. Here's theirs.

If you've been paying attention over the last 24 months or so about everything going on in this

country, you know that a bomb went off in the face of Jamel Hill and Michael Smith and after

they left ESPN, a similar bomb went off in the face of our show. And so I wanted to talk

to Jamel and Michael just about the last 24 months. I really liked the energy and the enthusiasm

that they applied to their job. I know I respect both of them as journalists long before they

ever got to ESPN. I just wanted to get them together to sort of not rehash because I think they're

both in a better place because of the healing and the freedom and the liberty. I dare say

that Jamel Hill, Michael made a hell of a career move in the middle of crying in John Skipper's

office as we've talked about here on South Beach sessions and really being at the center of the

very unpleasant storm. And I was curious as to how you experienced this differently because I've

talked to Jamel about this on South Beach sessions. And I've seen you in forms that I would say

over the years, your confidence was a bit broken and I was not used to seeing you not be confident

because you started in this game younger than just about anybody. You had success in this game

so early. You were in your early weren't you in your early 20s and already writing a column?

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