You have to listen to somebody's life. They're looking to synchronize. The secret of Chinese medicine is whatever medical condition somebody has, their body is expressing that something is out of sync somewhere, whether they wanted to be

own a bar, but their CEO of a company.

I've had those situations where they've wanted to express their soul one way and they're doing something

different. So my work is to listen to them and help guide them back to the place of synchronization.

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Jeff, welcome to the Un Mistakable Creative.

Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Thank you, Trini.

Yeah, it is my pleasure to have you here.

So I was introduced to you by way of our mutual friend Joseph Logan, who has been a study

referral source for some very, very interesting and fascinating people. And when he mentioned your name to me and what you did I was immediately

intrigued but before we get into your work given that you just told me before

we hit record here that you had three brothers I was going to start asking you what

birth order were you and what impact did your birth order end up having on the

choices that you've made with your life and your career?

Wow that's an interesting question to start out with.

Depends on how you want me to answer that question.

I was the third of the planned children.

And then I had a younger brother six years younger.

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