Hey everybody, I got my friend Jeffrey Sachs back on here is one of my heroes and Jeffrey Sachs

is an American economist academic public policy analyst and former director of the Earth

Institute at Columbia University where he holds the title of the University professor.

He's known for his work on sustainable development and economic development and the fight

to empathy. I just read the first paragraph of the long Wikipedia piece and that's all I'm

going to give because you've been on here before and people know who you are. All right to be with

here again. No you know I know this is kind of an informal discussion and we both kind of

booked this in the last minute but I wanted to I really wanted to talk to you about China but

before we talked before we can't online you were telling me that because I was saying to you that

you wrote a beautiful synopsis of the Ukraine war which I tweeted about I didn't want to talk to you

today about the Ukraine because I've done so many shows on it that I think that listeners are going

to get tired of it and your take on the war is basically identical to mine but you wrote

of this very very really useful synopsis that then you you publish on your website and I tweeted

and it had it kind of had the whole set up about you know the provocations that led up to the war

and how the the principal doians the most respected grape years of of American foreign policy

in both political parties. George Cannon who you know who is the architect of the containment

policy Bill Perry who was the who was Bill Clinton secretary of defense who threatened to resign

because he saw that we were provoking the Russians by moving NATO so close and then Bill Burns

who is the ambassador russia who said this you know you can't win this and it's now the CIA director

after all and he wrote that memo in 2008. I mean and he said you know you are going to provoke

the Russians to war this online that you can't be crossed that the title of his his email was

yet means yet the you are crossing red lines here by and then you and you go back to

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