Welcome in everybody to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast, live from the Xfinity Studio on a Wednesday afternoon. And we are presented by our friends at Ashley and Bet365. I am your host today, E.J. Smith, back in town, back home after a

red-eye flight in Phoenix, had a good time at the owner's meetings, and I'm very excited to be

joined by, I've given you your flowers on the show a couple of times, you know, a real mentor of

mine, a friend of mine. And I think a Jeffrey Lorry whisperer, I would say, which is why I'm very excited to do the show with you without further ado, the great Les Bowen. I appreciate you joining us today. How you doing? I'm doing great. E.J., how are you? I'm doing well. I don't sleep great on planes, but I was tired enough that I think I got a decent amount of sleep. And, you know, I feel like energized by all the Eagles news that we have going on today. So a lot to get to. I'm excited to trade some takeaways on Jeffrey Lurie with you later on the show. But I think we need to definitely start with the Jalen Hertz conversation. There was a big story. I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen about Jalen Hertz and ESPN,

written by Tim McManus and Jeremy Fowler,

about I think the general gist of the story is Jalen Hertz's culpability

and the limitations that the Eagles offense had last year

and a sentiment that he is uncoachable.

They talked to probably about a dozen people around the Eagles organization.

And, yeah, I think that there were some anecdotes about the difficulty of being in the room with Jalen and trying to install an offensive system.

So, yeah, I think there's a lot to get to with that.

I guess what was your general takeaway?

Yeah, kind of like that.

I wasn't quite as strong on it being strictly on Jalen.

It seemed to me most of the quotes came from someone who had some sort of coaching role

with the Eagles last year, which should be a very limited number of people.

And oddly enough, the coaching staff came off very well in the piece.

It was even suggested that it was just the media making Kevin Petullo look like a bad

offensive coordinator and that somehow the players

were affected by this, which, yeah, huh. But, you know, the sequence in there that struck me

the most was the talk about the doomed last play against the 49ers.

And supposedly it was Jalen Hertz who suggested fourverts in that situation.

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