Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast I'm your host Tim Miller. I'm delighted to be here today with Jeffrey Goldberg editor-in-chief of the Atlantic host of Washington Week on PBS his new book on heroism, McCain-Milly

Mattis and the cowardice of Donald Trump. Welcome to the Blork podcast, brother.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

Well, I'm having you actually for two selfish reasons.

Number one, next week, we're together

at the Atlantic Festival, which I was happy to be invited to.

Thursday, September 19th and 20th at the

wharf in DC if you want to come speakers include Kentucky Brown Jackson nice

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Thank God.

And so this is my question.

I think I have more Atlantic writers on this podcast

than any other outlet.

And God bless you.

We're always pushing subscriptions.

I'm just wondering, I feel like I need to start getting a vig though or something

What are you mr. 10% what are you? I'll do eight other what about your partners in crime? Yeah

Yeah, yeah Sarah can get in on that. We'll see about everybody.

They'll get something from you. Yeah, exactly. A little walking around money?

You know what you get by being, you get the world's greatest minds you get access to the world's

greatest collective of writers and thinkers that's what you get all right well

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