Jeffrey Goldberg on James Mattis: 'The Man Who Couldn't Take it Anymore'

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🗓️ 30 August 2019

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis began his book tour by sitting down with The Atlantic editor Jeffrey Goldberg. "There is a lot about Donald Trump that he finds absurd and repellent but he is trying to maintain this disciplined approach of not speaking ill of a sitting president," Goldberg says. Brian Stelter asks Goldberg about the challenges of interviewing Mattis, plus the ongoing discussions in newsrooms about how to cover Trump's erratic behavior.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	The Man Who Couldn't Take It Anymore.
0:05.0	That's the title for the new article in the Atlantic magazine
0:07.8	about Secretary of Defense James Mattis
0:10.4	and his decision to resign late last year over disagreements with President Trump.
0:15.2	Mattis is now coming out with a new book which means he's giving some interviews
0:20.7	but he's being coy about his time with Trump.
0:23.0	I'm Brian Seltre and this is the Reliable Sources Podcast.
0:26.0	Our weekly chance to go in depth with media leaders and newsmakers
0:30.0	talking about how the news gets made.
0:32.0	And this week, some news has been made by Jeffrey Goldberg,
0:35.0	the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic.
0:37.0	He was able to meet a couple times with Mattis recently,
0:40.0	talk with him about the book and about Trump and some other topics.
0:44.0	The revealing interview is online now at the Atlantic.com
0:47.0	and Goldberg's joining me from DC.
0:49.0	Jeffrey, thanks for talking with me.
0:51.0	Thanks for having me.
0:52.0	So let me get this straight.
0:53.7	Madison is coming out with a new book.
0:55.0	It's titled Call Sign Chaos, Learning to Lead.
0:58.3	It's coming out on Tuesday, September 3rd.
1:00.5	But he doesn't really write about the trumpiers is that right?
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