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Jeffrey Fraenkel on Diane Arbus (Live in London)

Talk Art

Russell Tovey and Robert Diament c/o Independent Talent

Sculpture, Unknown, Russell Tovey, Painting, Drawing, Art, Artist Interview, Arts, Studio Visit, Visual Arts, Art Talk, Contemporary Art, Entertainment, Celebrity, Modern Art, Artwork, Talk Art, Robert Diament

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🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

We meet gallerist Jeffrey Fraenkel to discuss the work of Diane Arbus, recorded live in London at David Zwirner.


 Sanctum Sanctoruma sacred room or inner chamber; a place of inviolable privacy


Diane Arbus: Sanctum Sanctorum, an exhibition of forty-five photographs made in private places across New York, New Jersey, California, and London between 1961 and 1971, is now open at David Zwirner, London until 20 December 2025, before travelling to Fraenkel Gallery, San Francisco in spring 2026. The exhibition is accompanied by a comprehensive monograph reproducing all works in the exhibition.


Through her singular combination of intelligence, charisma, intuition, and courage, Diane Arbus was frequently invited into homes and other private realms seldom seen by strangers. Though made in intimate settings, her photographs evidence no sense of intrusion or trespass. Instead, they reveal an unspoken exchange between photographer and subject, a moment of recognition in which confidences emerge freely and without judgment.


Arbus’s desire to know people embraced a vast spectrum of humanity. Her subjects in Sanctum Sanctorum include debutantes, nudists, celebrities, aspiring celebrities, socialites, transvestites, babies, widows, circus performers, lovers, female impersonators, and a blind couple in their bedroom.


The exhibition brings together little-known works, such as Girl sitting in bed with her boyfriend, N.Y.C1966Ozzie and Harriet Nelson on their bed, Los Angeles 1970; and Interior decorator at the nudist camp in his trailer, New Jersey 1963, alongside celebrated images like Mexican dwarf in his hotel room, N.Y.C. 1970 and A naked man being a woman, N.Y.C. 1968


While many of Arbus’s photographs have become part of the public’s collective consciousness since her landmark retrospective at The Museum of Modern Art, New York, in 1972, seen in this context, viewers may discover aspects of even familiar works that have previously gone unnoticed.


Sanctum Sanctorum follows two recent major exhibitions of the artist’s work: Cataclysm: The 1972 Diane Arbus Retrospective Revisited at David Zwirner New York (2022) and Los Angeles (2025), and Diane Arbus: Constellation at LUMA, Arles (2023–2024) and the Park Avenue Armory, New York (2025).


Follow @FraenkelGallery @DavidZwirner


With special thanks to the Estate of Diane Arbus.


#DianeArbus


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0:00.0

Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, whatever you are in the world. I'm Russell Tovey.

0:11.6

And I'm Robert Diamand.

0:12.7

And this is Talkart. Welcome to Talkart.

0:15.8

Thank you.

0:23.6

So Talkart Live, Robert. How are you today?

0:28.0

Today, Russell, I have been thinking a lot about privacy.

0:32.3

Do I even have a private life anymore? Do any of us have a private life anymore?

0:37.7

And the phrase that kept coming into my mind because of today's show at David Zverner in central London is privacy is luxury. And it was something I was told about 15 years ago by a family

0:43.2

friend of mine or the family of a friend of mine in Spain. And they kept saying to me that,

0:48.8

like, you need to get off Facebook at the time because they kept saying that I was a broadcaster

0:53.2

and it's way before we did talk arts. So I didn't even really understand what they meant about being a broadcaster. But I've always been the kind of person that wants to kind of share my life with, I guess, the people out in the world, as do you now. So I don't think we have much privacy. But then you do still have these inner worlds and privacy in terms of like, you know, maybe your bedroom or

1:12.2

like your kitchen or domestic spaces that the world doesn't really enter. So you do still have

1:16.8

these private worlds. And this exhibition is called sanctum sanctorum. And that phrase is about a

1:23.3

sacred room or a kind of inner chamber. And I loved this phrase, which was a place of inviable

1:30.0

privacy. And when you think of the artist behind these incredible photographs, which there's about

1:36.0

45 of in this exhibition, there is such trust between her and each sitter. And these sitters

1:42.6

range from all different kinds of people through society.

1:45.7

And they were people that she might have met on the street or might have met through different

1:50.1

social interactions. And they're all different. So there might be a celebrity. There might be an

1:54.5

aspiring celebrity. There could be like a debutante. There might be a nudist couple. There are lovers.

2:00.8

There are all these different kind of people that

2:02.9

she's met and that for some reason she chose them to be part of the legacy of what her work became.

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