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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Jeffrey Epstein on the Couch: Part IV

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Alternative Health, Medicine, Mental Health

4.7524 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

Narcissism, antisocial, pedophilia… A lot of psychiatric terms have been used to explain Jeffrey Epstein. We’ll look at what fits.

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Published On: 03/30/2026

Duration: 12 minutes, 34 seconds

Chris Aiken, MD, and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP, have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this

Transcript

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0:00.0

Jeffrey Epstein may have a psychiatric disorder, but not the one he often is accused of having.

0:10.4

Welcome to the Carlisd Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:16.3

I'm Chris Agen, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatt Psychiatry Report.

0:20.0

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP, and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:27.2

Last week, we reviewed a post-mortem analysis of Jeffrey Epstein's personality by forensic psychologists

0:34.0

who used the Harr Psychopathy Check checklist to assess antisocial traits.

0:39.6

The average adult scores four on this 40-point scale.

0:43.6

Prisoners and sex offenders score around 22.

0:47.3

Epstein scored 29, just under the 30-point cutoff for clinical sociopathy.

0:53.2

But the breakdown of his score is more revealing.

0:56.8

The psychopathy checklist has two factors. Factor one captures the core features of a skillful

1:03.2

antisocial, charm, manipulation, pathological lying, lack of remorse, shallow emotions,

1:10.7

and lack of empathy.

1:12.8

Epstein scored a perfect 16 out of 16 there.

1:16.5

Factor 2 captures behavioral problems, impulsivity, criminal history, parasitic lifestyle, poor self-control.

1:25.8

These are not the hallmarks of a quote successful antisocial,

1:29.5

and it is here that Epstein lost points.

1:32.2

He was calculating, patient, strategic.

1:35.5

He wasn't getting arrested for bar fights.

1:37.7

He was cultivating relationships

1:39.8

and managing his image.

1:43.6

Music and managing his image.

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