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The Jordan Syatt Podcast

Jefferson Fisher: How to Catch a Liar and Deal with Narcissists, Gaslighters, Bullies, and More…

The Jordan Syatt Podcast

Jordan Syatt

Fitness, Health & Fitness

4.94.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of The Jordan Syatt Podcast I speak with the incredible trial attorney, Jefferson Fisher (IG: @jefferson_fisher) about:

- How to catch a liar

- How to effectively deal with narcissists

- How to run circles around someone gaslighting you

- How to beat bullies via communication tactics

- How to constructively express your anger

- And more...

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Today, I'm honored to introduce you to Jefferson Fisher.

0:03.5

Jefferson is a husband, father, and a board-certified trial attorney with over a decade of

0:08.5

experience.

0:09.6

In recent years, Jefferson has helped millions of people by teaching them how to speak,

0:14.1

listen, and communicate more effectively so you can get what you want without having to

0:18.3

argue so much.

0:19.6

He's authored a New York Times bestselling book called The Next Conversation. He's founded the Jefferson Fisher School of Communication, and he still shows up in court to cross-examine witnesses and convince juries. Jefferson, welcome to the podcast. So, Jordan. Thanks so much for having me, man. Thanks for coming down to my part of Texas.

0:42.8

Beaumont, Texas is great. I love it here. I had no idea they had this kind of a podcast studio.

0:46.7

So I feel out of my element, but also it's just wonderful to be here and to see you again.

0:48.0

It's great to see you too, man.

0:52.1

So let's just start off with a very simple question. Who are you?

0:52.8

Oh. I am a husband.

0:57.0

I am a dad.

1:00.0

I am a trial attorney.

1:05.0

I am someone of faith and a Christian.

1:10.0

I am someone that is still learning a lot every day.

1:15.6

So I'm a student.

1:17.6

It's probably the best way to put that.

1:20.6

And it is something that I continue to strive for is learning everything that I can.

1:27.5

So I'm somebody who's trying to actively, daily seek wisdom.

1:31.4

Are you studying anything specific right now?

1:33.5

Anything in particular looking to seek wisdom on?

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