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I'm Dorothy Wickenden. On today's Politics and More podcast, David Remnick talks to Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN worldwide. President Trump routinely decries CNN as

fake news, but its ratings are their highest in decades.

So we'll begin with Jeff Zucker, who's the president of CNN.

When Zucker came to the network in 2013, it was totally adrift with primetime viewing at its lowest in two decades. The savior of the network was Donald Trump.

Despite purveying nothing but fake news in the assessment of our now president,

CNN this spring had its best rating in 14 years.

And the strange irony in all of this is that CNN's Jeff Zucker helped to make Donald Trump. Sooker was formerly

at NBC for 25 years, eventually becoming its CEO. And while he was there, he was the one who greenlit

the apprentice. Jeff, you've known Donald Trump for about 15 years. And certainly as a TV presence, you had a large hand in making him.

What did you have in mind?

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