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This is fresh air.

I'm Terry Gross. We're continuing our series featuring some of our favorite

interviews of 2025. I think it's fair to say that everyone who watched the HBO series

Somebody Somewhere, including me, wanted actor Jeff Hiller to be their friend. He played Joel,

a sympathetic and supportive friend with a great sense of humor.

Somebody somewhere was the big break Hiller had been hoping for for decades. As he writes in his new

memoir, if you're obviously gay, but not hot, your roles are limited. You just play the bitchy gay,

which is what he played in lots of small parts and episodes

of a lot of TV shows and commercials. More recently, he played a serial killer who targets

gay men in American Horror Story. His memoir is called Actress of a Certain Age, My 20-year

Trail to Overnight Success. Somebody Somewhere concluded its third and final season at the end of of a certain age, my 20-year trail to overnight success.

Somebody somewhere concluded its third and final season at the end of 2024.

Hiller won an Emmy in 2025 for his performance in the show.

The story is built around the characters of Sam, played by Bridget Everett, and Joel,

Jeff Hiller's character. When the series begins,

Sam had returned from New York to Manhattan, Kansas, where she grew up, to help care for her

sister who was dying of cancer. After the sister's death, Sam stays in Kansas where her other

sister still lives. Sam has no friends there and has an argumentative relationship with her

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