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Jeff Flake Takes Another Stand

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2018

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Sen. Jeff Flake is demanding legislation to protect the Mueller probe. High-profile conservatives are peeling off from the Federalist Society to stand up to the Trump administration. Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick explains why she thinks this is a pivotal moment for the Trump administration and its discontents. 


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0:00.0

Earlier this week, Republican Senator Jeff Flake held a press conference.

0:05.0

Thank you for being here.

0:07.0

We've just asked for unanimous consent on the floor of the Senate to bring the Special Counsel

0:12.0

Independence and Integrity Act to the floor.

0:15.0

This was legislation that passed the Judiciary Committee on April 26th.

0:19.0

He was trying to revive a bill that the Senate first considered back in the spring.

0:23.9

It would protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller from political interference.

0:28.3

So this is a legislation that would have codified Justice Department rules saying that you can only fire the special counsel for good cause.

0:39.4

Dahlia Lithwick covers the courts for Slate.

0:41.6

She was watching this moment, closely.

0:44.7

It was voted on in committee last April,

0:47.6

and then it's just been sort of moldering on the shelf since then.

0:50.4

But when the president fired his attorney general last week and replaced him with a hardline loyalist,

0:53.3

many Washington insiders started to worry about Mueller's

0:55.7

future. So here's Flake saying comes forward with Chris Coons and says, damn it, no, now we're going to vote on this.

1:03.1

And Mitch McConnell's like, I don't think we need it. I trust Trump. He's not going to fire Mueller.

1:08.8

And this moment, Dahlia thinks of it as a kind of conservative gut check.

1:14.4

For some, what happened to the Justice Department last week crossed a line?

1:19.0

Others didn't think so.

1:20.8

So what's interesting is the folks for whom it was a red line who have just negotiated that away. And then in tandem with that,

1:31.0

people like Senator Jeff Flake, who seemingly say, no, actually, this remains a red line. And in fact,

1:39.1

the firing of sessions is not beyond a red line. It's a flashing red light. Like this means, you know, Trump has Mueller and his crosshairs. And so for me, what's interesting is that split.

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