There's only going to be two kinds of companies and two kinds of people in the world.

One's that are dexterous with the use of AI and others that will really struggle for relevance.

And, you know, it's like what someone told me one time is the next.

It's like, people resist change.

People don't like change.

But if you don't like change, wait until you encounter irrelevance.

It's a whole lot more painful.

So the way that you stay relevant in the society of the future is by making sure that you get dexterous at the use of these tools. Because if you do, then what ends up happening is your

throughput goes up by several orders of magnitude. And if your throughput goes up by several

orders of magnitude, there's all kinds of logic in the world to keep you employed because then

you're going to be able to continue to add value. And the kind of impact you'll have on society

and the world will be very different.

Hello, and welcome to Franklin Covey on leadership. I'm your host, Will Hodling.

Today's conversation is with G2 Patel, the president and chief product officer at Cisco, where he leads a 30,000 person organization and has undergone an incredibly successful transformation in the last many years.

Prior to leading the team at Cisco, he served as the chief product officer and chief strategy

officer at Box and also worked at EMC and Dell. In addition to his work leading many technology

companies, he also serves on the board of many smaller tech companies. So he gets to

see this ecosystem evolve for multiple angles. In today's conversation, we'll discuss Cisco's strategic

transformation, how he's built an innovative AI-first culture, his leadership approach and style,

and much, much more. G-2 Patel, thank you very much for joining today and welcome

to Franklin Covey on leadership. Thank you for having me, Will. Good to see you. Absolutely, very

excited for today's conversation. So I'm going to start with a very basic boring 101 question. And then we're

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