Welcome to the Eric Mataxas Show with your host, Eric Mataxas.

Hey folks, welcome to our two of the Eric Mataxas Show.

I was tempted today to do the show in the character of Dr.

Haralambos Camilo Colos. He's a new testament professor at a school that will not be mentioned.

But I thought, no, we can't do this. This is too serious. We've got to get serious.

So I'm speaking to Eugenia Constantino, the author of Thinking Orthodox,

understanding and acquiring the Orthodox Christian mind.

So Eugenie, you were talking about this idea of Fronema that, and again,

whenever I address this stuff, to me, it's all about what is it to be Christian.

I don't care what it is labeled, but this is coming to us out of the Orthodox tradition,

and it's helping correct some grave errors in many of the other traditions.

If we take this seriously, frankly, if the Orthodox would take it seriously,

many of them are themselves unaware of this. So if you are Orthodox or think you might be,

you should read this book.

But the idea of changing your whole life to live in a way that accords with God's will,

his way of thinking, you said, and I've said it many times, Jesus didn't kind of come down,

hand out some Mimigraft sheets and say, like, memorize those, do that,

and I'll see you in, you know, 2000 years. He lived them, he tabernacle them on us,

so that we could see what is this different kind of life like.

And then when we receive the Holy Spirit, we are empowered to live that.

It's a completely different way of being. That's what you're getting at in this book.

Absolutely. I'm so glad that you said that John 114,

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