You're listening to The Great Simplification with Nate Higgins.

That's me.

On this show, we try to explore and simplify what's happening with energy, the economy, the environment, in our society.

Together with scientists, experts, and leaders, this show is about understanding the bird's eye view of how everything fits together, where we go from here and what we can do about it as a society and as individuals.

Bienvenu at the grand simplification. I'd like to welcome to the show.

Jean-Marc Jean-Marc Gaincovici.

Jean-Marc is a French engineering consultant,

professor, author, and independent columnist.

He is very well known in France.

He's been working at the intersection of climate, energy, and economics

for over 20 years. He's the co-founder and associate at the Carbon 4 consultancy firm, as well as the

founding president of the think tank, The Shift Project. This was a weird conversation because I have never watched until a few hours

before this any of his work and he's never watched any of my work. And we're saying almost the

same things, which to me is a robust finding. And I hope to collaborate with Jean-Marc in the future.

Please welcome Jean-Marc,

Jancovici.

Jean-Marc, Good to see you. Welcome to the program.

Good morning. Oh, good afternoon. I don't know.

It is almost, almost afternoon here. You are seven hours ahead of me.

So you and I have been sharing similar stories and viewpoints.

From what I understand the past two decades, a lot of people have told me about your work. It was only this morning that I watched one of your English videos.

So could you start us off by, in your own words, give us kind of a long elevator pitch of how you see the

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