Axis Mundi.

For bonus content I have an interview with Rick Pitcock who is a writer for

the Baptist Union Times and somebody who I think had some really good insight on J.D. Vance and so if you are a premium

subscriber make sure to check the premium feed today because you'll see an entire episode

with me and Rick talking about it.

If you're not, you'll want to make sure and subscribe in order to get the entire thing. All right y'all, welcome to first-time guest, Rick Pitcock. Rick,

thanks for being here.

Yeah, thanks.

I've been listening to the show for a while and I'm excited to be here.

So we're here to talk once again about J.D. Vans and what he represents as a religious candidate and a candidate of many dimensions. I think listeners can tell by now that like when I kind of get obsessed about something,

I get obsessed about it and my wife will tell you,

just won't stop talking or reading about it until I'm done and I'm not done yet so take that

JD Vance you wrote a great piece for the Baptist global times about JD Vance

and just some of the the further religious dimensions of him as a candidate, as a figure, and I just want to jump into those because this is something I think is really important to understanding why he is the VP and why he's such a dangerous figure, if I'm very honest.

One of the things you do is you start out by reminding everyone about Harrison Butker.

Harrison Butker, of course, being the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs who gave the infamous

commencement speech at Benedictine University.

We should all note that the speaker, the year him was none other than Leonard Leo the Federalist Society head and

major world-moving Catholic influencer and friend of Clarence Thomas

So start us off here.

Why compare Vance to Harris Butker and what can we learn by that comparison?

Yeah, so the Harrison Butker thing was interesting because one thing that I've noticed is like and you probably sense this some in your podcast there's these different worlds that you know

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