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Deadline: White House

"Jay Clayton versus simple questions about who won the 2020 election”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Versant, News, Msnbc, Government, The White House, Ms Now, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.56.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

July 15, 2026; 4pm: Nicolle Wallace and guests cover Trump’s next pick for Director of National Intelligence, Jay Clayton, and his difficulty answering simple questions about who won the 2020 election at his confirmation hearing today.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in New York. One of the defining missions of Donald

0:11.4

Trump's second term as president has been to do whatever he can think of to erase the

0:18.0

humiliation of his defeat in 2020 to President Joe Biden. Donald Trump has made it

0:23.8

abundantly clear what he wants in that regard from the nation's director of national intelligence

0:29.5

in helping him pursue that mission. But, you know, that is the person who heads the nation's

0:35.1

18 intelligence agencies. That job is created after 9-11 to keep us safe.

0:40.4

And that is someone who, in Trump's view, should not just indulge his election conspiracies,

0:45.8

but help him act them out and relitigate the 2020 presidential election. Today, in his confirmation

0:51.9

hearing to be the next director of national intelligence on a

0:55.1

permanent basis, Jay Clayton did just that. He was repeatedly given opportunities to differentiate

1:00.2

himself from former DNI Tulsi Gabbard and current acting DNI Bill Pulte when it comes to their

1:06.7

attachment to Donald Trump's election delusions, and he could not answer the simple question

1:11.1

about whether Joe Biden won the 2020 election. Watch. Do you deny that Joe Biden won the 2020

1:19.2

election? Senator, I'm not an election to deny a joke. Joe Biden was certified as the

1:25.7

president of the United States. Can you tell me why Joe Biden was certified as the president of the United States. Can you tell me why Joe Biden was

1:32.2

certified as the winner of the 2020 election? I really, I'm going back to my constitutional law here,

1:43.1

but I don't want to continue to have a debate

1:45.3

about this, but I believe he had the most electoral votes.

1:49.3

So he won the election.

1:50.9

He followed our process, had the most of electoral votes, was declared the winner, and

1:56.2

who has the most electoral votes?

1:58.7

Is it the person that wins or the person that loses?

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