Jason Wilson challenges Lecrae - "That's not a real man!"
The Deep End With Lecrae
Lecrae
4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 16 January 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
This one's different. I sat down with my guy Jason Wilson—a bestselling author and the founder of the Cave of Adullam—to talk about what it really means to be a man. We're breaking down stereotypes, emotional healing, why men are stuck in boxes, and why crying more might be the key to freedom.
Jason's story is deep, and his wisdom is next level. This really challenged me.
This episode is for you.
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Chapter Markers
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - Exploring Masculinity
1:33 - Jason's Background and The Cave of Adullam
2:24 - Jason's Books and Media Appearances
3:17 - Jason's Backstory
4:00 - Why Men Should Cry More
6:18 - Jason's Personal Journey with Trauma
8:52 - Growing Up in Detroit and Hypermasculinity
13:18 - Music Career and Spiritual Awakening
17:07 - Turning Away from Secular Music
20:13 - The Emotional Impact of Caring for His Mother
24:02 - Redefining Masculinity through Tenderness
28:04 - Comprehensive Manhood: Beyond Masculinity
32:24 - The Truth About Alpha Males
36:19 - Masculinity and Comprehensive Leadership
40:22 - The Viral Video that Changed Lives
44:11 - Healing Men and Boys
46:52 - Addressing Emotional Incarceration in Men
53:00 - Evolution of Manhood and Emotional Growth
56:36 - Suicide and the Pressures on Men
59:20 - Why It's Time to Break the Norms
1:05:55 - Overcoming the Badge of Self-Sufficiency
1:15:02 - Fighting for Emotional Freedom
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The whole alpha male concept is a myth. There is no battle between two wolves to see who's going to lead the wolf pack. From a human standpoint, the alpha wolves are those that are married. |
| 0:12.9 | Your whole embodiment is to please women, from the glasses to the cigars, to the big Bugatti's, to the Ferraris, to the shoes, to the clothes. |
| 0:21.8 | But yet you're the alpha, but yet your whole life is geared around pleasing women. |
| 0:26.9 | Man, let me tell you, hold on, time out. |
| 0:29.2 | I get a lot of books. |
| 0:30.6 | I'm reading this one. |
| 0:32.1 | We were created to be more than masculine. |
| 0:34.4 | You look at Dave throughout the songs, he cried. |
| 0:39.3 | But no one dared test his masculine attribute. How would you define masculinity or define manhood? Well, that's the catch right there. |
| 0:48.1 | This is the deep end with La Cray. |
| 0:54.6 | All right. |
| 0:56.1 | Ladies and gentlemen, I'm excited for y'all today. |
| 0:59.6 | See, I'm excited for y'all because if you don't know, you don't know. |
| 1:03.0 | I beg you to stick around for this because sticking around means growth. |
| 1:08.2 | Today, we got the honor of welcoming an incredible individual to the podcast today. We got a transformational leader. We got a bestselling author. We got a trailblazer in emotional intelligence. So I might be crying today. You know what I mean? Character development. You know, we got my brother Jason Wilson. Jason is the CEO and the founder of the cave of Adulam. |
| 1:30.8 | And I probably didn't say that right, but we'll get it right by the end of the cast. |
| 1:34.1 | You know what I'm saying? |
| 1:34.6 | Also, you know, basically, you know, it's a transformational training academy. |
| 1:40.3 | So we got martial arts happening in disenfranchised communities, a lot going on here. |
| 1:48.3 | And then on top of that, man, you didn't help tons of people navigate their emotions. |
| 1:53.3 | Tons of people break barriers and discover their potential. And so your books cry like a man, |
| 1:59.3 | battle cry. Of course, we got this one here. |
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