Psi phenomena are a property of consciousness. And if you actually succeed in building an

artificial general intelligence, they will be forced eventually to study the same types of phenomena

that parapsychologists have been studying for close to a century now.

Welcome to Skeptico, where we explore controversial science and spirituality. I'm joined today by Dr. Jason Risa Jorjani.

Jason was here a couple months ago and gave us just, I thought, a terrific interview, and I know a lot of you enjoyed it as well.

He's back to talk about his book, Closer Encounters. Jason, it's great to have you back. Thanks for joining me.

It's an absolute pleasure to be here, Alex.

If you remember the last interview with Jason, one of the things that he really spelled out and that he brings to the table,

which is we're just chatting about, is tremendous and unique.

He's not a lot of people that are processing stuff at this intellectual level have this ability.

But Jason, as he defines it, is a true philosopher, a real philosopher.

So when he's engaging in a topic like he is in closer encounters, UFOs, UAPs, contact with non-human

intelligence, he's engaging in all the different aspects of it, political, social, technological,

religious and spiritual and paranormal, and most importantly, as he said, I thought so beautifully and importantly the last time,

he's doing it in a way that he is going to strive to make it internally consistent

within the framework of what he's presenting, right?

So I might not agree, and you might not agree with all his conclusions, but you got to respect

that approach because almost everything we see in this area, even if there's something you agree with,

is siloed. You know, it's like, oh, in my silo, here's how things work. Well, don't ask me about

anything spiritual or religious, you know, don't ask me about anything spiritual or religious, you know.

Don't ask me about this.

It's just stay in my silo.

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