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the Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.

My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Jason Hickle.

We talked about his book, Less is More, How Degrowth Will Save the World.

In part one of the interview we discussed the comprehensive and all-encompassing character of the ecological crisis,

which extends well beyond the issue of CO2 emissions.

We also talked about the violent emergence of capitalism

and how that process entailed the radical transformation of human subjectivity and how humans

relate to the natural world. Finally, we talked about the emergence of gross domestic product

as an indicator of economic and societal progress and well-being. Today's show is brought to you by PTO's supporters on Patreon and also by Verso Books,

who have lots of great titles that may be of interest to PTO listeners.

One that you might like to check out is Space Forces,

A Critical History of Life in Outer Space by Fred Sharman. No human has ever gone farther into

space than the moon, a grain of sand about 5.5 inches away from our tiny pea-gravel Earth. Are

other worlds really possible? Space Forces is a fascinating radical history of space exploration,

from the Russian cosmists of the 1890s

to the technology billionaires who want to colonize space for their own wealth, space

reveals a completely different story of our relationship with outer space, as well as the dangers

of our current direction of extractive capitalism and colonisation. Space Forces, a critical

history of life in outer space by Fred Sharman, is out now from Verso Books and one of their

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