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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Jason Furman: Jerome Powell, Resistance Hero

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Ahead of Donald Trump's return to Davos next week, John welcomes Harvard professor and former Council of Economic Advisers chair Jason Furman to discuss the DOJ’s bungled attack on the Fed, Jerome Powell’s unlikely emergence as an anti-MAGA paladin, and the state of the American economy under Trump’s second-term stewardship. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and Namaste, everyone, and welcome to In Politics with John Howman, a puck in Odyssey Joint,

0:11.5

featuring lively, in-depth conversations with the people who cruise the corridors of power in America,

0:15.6

sculpting and shaving the ebb and flow of our politics and our culture.

0:20.7

At the end of a week that began with Donald Trump's Justice Department launching a criminal

0:25.2

investigation and therefore apparently threatening to prosecute the chairman of the Federal

0:29.8

Reserve, Jerome Powell, on transparently specious grounds.

0:35.1

And that ended with Powell seeming more secure at his job than he has in

0:39.6

months. And with Trump now preparing to head off next week to mingle and strut among the world's

0:47.5

self-appointed financial and business elites in Davos, Switzerland. We are delighted to have

0:52.0

with us one of the most esteemed economic policy gurus in America

0:56.2

to break it all down, Jason Furman, whose resume includes tutelages under the wings of both Nobel Prize-winning

1:03.1

economist Joseph Stiglitz and revered former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, stints as economic

1:09.1

policy director for Barack Obama's 2008 campaign,

1:11.9

deputy director of the National Economic Council under Larry Summers and Gene Sperling

1:16.1

during Obama's first term in the White House, and the pinnacle for him, chairman of the

1:21.7

Council of Economic Advisers during Barack Obama's second term.

1:25.8

Now comfortably ensconced amid the acres of Ivy

1:28.4

in Cambridge, Massachusetts as a professor

1:30.6

in both the Harvard Economics Department

1:33.0

and at the Kennedy School of Government,

1:35.2

Jason also contributes regularly

1:36.7

to the New York Times opinion section

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