Jasmine El-Gamal on What She Lost and Found at Guantanamo
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ποΈ 18 December 2020
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Summary
Jasmine El-Gamal is a nonresident senior fellow with the Middle East program at the Atlantic Council. Between 2008 and 2015, she served as a Middle East advisor in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and as a special assistant to three undersecretaries of defense for policy. She is the author of a recent article in Newlines magazine entitled, "Lost and Found in Guantanamo Bay: Two encounters with two different men in the most notorious detention facility in the world shaped my faith β and my life β forever." She joined Benjamin Wittes to talk about the article, how she ended up as a young woman as a translator at Guantanamo and in Iraq, what she's done since, and how the experience of Guantanamo shaped her later policy career, as well as her view of America, Islam and counterterrorism.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.8 | I had decided to go to Gitmo. |
| 0:35.3 | I said I was going to go for six months. |
| 0:37.0 | I ended up staying for a year and a half. |
| 0:39.5 | And the reason I ended up staying for a year and a half was that I just felt, you know, |
| 0:43.6 | with every day I just felt this increasing sense of responsibility to the whole process. |
| 0:49.7 | I was talking to these detainees who some of whom wouldn't talk to anybody but me or |
| 0:55.2 | I was finding translations that weren't correct and I was, you know, spending all this |
| 0:59.4 | time re-translating. |
| 1:01.4 | And so I just felt this real responsibility to stay and make something good out of a |
| 1:06.4 | really bad situation. |
| 1:08.7 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast December 18, 2020. |
| 1:15.8 | Jasmine Elgamel is a non-resident senior fellow with the Middle East program at the Atlantic |
| 1:21.6 | Council. Between 2008 and 2015, she served as a Middle East advisor in the Office of |
| 1:28.8 | Secretary of Defense and later as a special assistant to three undersecretaries of defense |
| 1:35.6 | for policy. |
| 1:37.6 | She is the author of a recent article in New Line's magazine entitled Lost and Found |
| 1:44.8 | in Guantanamo Bay. |
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