Hi, Bill Crystal here on January 6, 26, a date that Tom and I remember well,

and we all remember very well, where we were and what we saw and what we thought at the time

and subsequently.

So I'm very pleased to be joined by Tom Jocelyn, old friend and colleague,

and most importantly for this conversation, the lead writer on the January 6th

committee report, which was done in the 2022 in Congress, obviously, and released at the very

beginning of 2023, right?

Very end of 2020, yeah.

Very end of the year, yeah.

And the report that stands up extremely well, still the best single thing to read, I would

say, if you want to understand what happened on January 6th.

So I thought we would talk for a few minutes about, not really so much about what happened, but about where we stand five years after this, that really extraordinary and terrible day, I think, for the country.

So, Tom, what do you think?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a day that lives on,

unfortunately. I think we're living in the January 6th world. You know, ultimately, there was no

accountability for Donald Trump for trying to overturn a democratically held election for the

first time in our nation's history. None of the bigwigs around them really faced any kind

of accountability. And then for all

those people, extremists, rioters, and others who were arrested, charged and convicted for their

actions on January 6, sort of the smaller fish in the story, Trump pardoned or granted clemency

to all of them, including the heads of major extremist groups.

So there's been no accountability for January 6 in the long run here for America.

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