Welcome to the Dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger joined by David French editor

of the Morning Dispatch, Declan Garvey and Deputy Editor of the Morning Dispatch Esther

Eaton. This will be fun. We've got plenty to talk about after last night's primetime

hearing for January 6th. And we'll make sure to talk about a little bit of what else has

been happening on the hill as Republicans struggle around votes on gay marriage and contraception

and on the left, climate change. Let's dive right in. David, watch the hearing last night.

What was effective? What wasn't effective? Yeah, you know, I think it's interesting

to me that this was the primetime hearing and the Cassie Hutchinson hearing was the daytime

hearing. I would have flipped them. Now, that's not to say that this wasn't an important

hearing that didn't uncover important information, but just from the standpoint of you're trying

to make a maximum, you're trying to make the maximum impact with the content. Cassie,

Cassie Hutchinson, my goodness. I mean, the content and the factual, the information that

she disclosed during that hearing was far more explosive and legally consequential. This

had some vivid moments to be sure. I mean, there's no question that testimony that Secret

Service agents feared for their own lives was incredibly vivid. There was the shot at

Josh Holly that where, you know, earlier in the day, he's fist pumping the very crowd

that he's sprinting from later in the day. And then comprehensively establishing Donald

Trump's indifference, seeming just utter indifference to the events he's in a room watching

television while it unfolds, was interesting to me in some ways, honestly, that was the

most interesting part to me was the combination of the indifference and the mic pants tweet.

Because as Sarah, you and I, we, you know, we have talked about this incitement issue a

lot on advisory opinions, the flagship podcast. And I keep trying to, the key question on

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