January 6, Five Years Later (w/ Robert Draper)
Know Your Enemy
Matthew Sitman
4.7 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 12 January 2026
⏱️ 98 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | All right. Welcome listeners to episode 127 of Know Your Enemy. I'm at Sitman, your podcast co-host, |
| 0:06.4 | and I'm here as always with my great friend, Sam other bell. Hey, Sam. Hi, Matt. It sounds a little |
| 0:11.2 | funny to say we're excited to release this episode because it's so often. We have a great |
| 0:16.0 | conversation that, you know, we're jazzed up about, but it's about horrible things happening |
| 0:20.2 | in our country. And that is, again, the case hereed up about, but it's about horrible things happening in our country. |
| 0:21.1 | And that is, again, the case here. |
| 0:23.8 | It's the January 6th episode. |
| 0:25.4 | Yes, I'm sure it's kind of a holiday of sorts for our listeners, every January 6th. |
| 0:30.0 | But this is about the fifth anniversary of January 6th, five years later. |
| 0:34.2 | So an auspicious anniversary, you might say. |
| 0:37.0 | And we head on, I just think the absolute |
| 0:39.9 | right person to have this particular conversation with Robert Draper, the New York Times writer, |
| 0:46.0 | he's had a fascinating career. But mostly we had him on because in 2022, in the months following |
| 0:52.7 | January 6th, Robert published a book, Weapons of Mass |
| 0:56.7 | Delusion When the Republican Party Lost Its Mind, and it is essentially a deeply reported look |
| 1:03.5 | at the Republican Party in the lead up to on the day of, and then especially the 18 months |
| 1:09.1 | following January 6th. And it's just, I say this at the start |
| 1:14.0 | of the conversation, but it has had such an influence on how I understand January 6th, what it said |
| 1:19.8 | about the Republican Party and kind of the nooks and crannies of the Republican Party, |
| 1:24.4 | as it was losing its mind. You know, We're talking about people like Marjorie Taylor |
| 1:29.2 | Green, Nick Flentes, Charlie Kirk, Paul Gosar, Paul Gosar, Kevin McCarthy, Raphael Cruz, Ted Cruz's father, |
| 1:37.5 | you know, like offering a prayer following a presentation by the cyber ninjas in some Godfors |
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