Hello and welcome to the Independence Daily Travel Podcast with me, Simon Calder.

And of course, I hope that you are somewhere lovely and sunny, or at least dreaming of a great escape.

Very special edition of the podcast today, because I am with Tim Jeans.

Now, he is, well, over the decades,

so certainly he's been one of the most important figures in aviation,

certainly the most articulate in expressing what aviation needs.

His CV includes commercial director of Ryanair,

managing director of Monarch and now chairman of

Cornwall Newkey Airport. Tim, welcome. Hi, Simon. Good to be here. What we're talking about today

is the new normal. We want to know what aviation is going to be like in 2020 and beyond. So if anybody can help us,

it's you. Right. Well, let me polish my crystal ball in front of your very eyes. I would say,

most definitely, the old normal is not going to return. The new normal is going to be different.

I think aviation for at least five years hence is going to return. The new normal is going to be different. I think aviation for at least five

years hence is going to be materially smaller than it was. I think a combination of continued

nervousness about the pandemic. I think even when we're out of this, the impact and the uncertainty that the pandemic has generated in our population and those overseas will just make people less carefree about that way they look at travel.

You know, if we think back to the halcyon days of 2019,

we didn't give health, apart from perhaps yellow fever,

the odd bit of tetanus or typhoid or malaria,

but the notion that you were going to have to combat a pandemic

wasn't on anybody's mind.

And the fact that it is on everybody's mind now will be that long haul

travel in particular i think will be different and smaller um but those discretionary trips

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